Interesting conversation with Pietro, the custodian at the St. Peter-in-Chains Church (San Pietro in Vincoli) where tourists — and one presumes pilgrims — come to see Michelangelo’s Moses in Chains.

While generally overlooking the actual relic of the chains that imprisoned Peter.

“They treat this as a museum. Coming to see the art and ignoring the chains,” Pietro told me.

I admit I was at the church myself to see the Michelangelo. It’s stunning. And then I spotted the chains.

THIS:

THAT: